04 July 2017

The latest inspiring Tory report on Muslims says we deserve attention because it can stop us becoming terrorists

.... Admittedly, the report includes some well-warranted policies, including an independent review into the Government’s anti-terrorism Prevent programme, advice for media reporting on issues relating to Islam, adopting a legal definition of anti-Muslim prejudice, and encouraging universities to offer courses for imams to receive religious and educational qualifications.

In these respects, the report signals a step forward in battling the rise in Islamophobia seen since the EU referendum result, and the anti-Muslim rhetoric that has become increasingly common in politics. And I appreciate that Dominic Grieve wants to unlock my potential “for the benefit of all”. However, the whole thing is inconsistent at best, providing only a half-hearted understanding of the political dynamics surrounding “integration”, and continuing to treat Muslims primarily as suspect.

.... Nevertheless, the question remains as to why the burden of integration must lie with British Muslims, especially when counter-reports show how Muslim identity has no bearing on whether or not someone feels British. This report claims that many British people believe Muslims have not integrated – but does this not tell us more about those British people than it does about British Muslims?

[TOP RATED COMMENT] I see no evidence that Islamaphobia is on the rise in politics, on the contrary, I hear politicians saying "Islam is the religion of peace" after every terrorist attack. Why shouldn't British people demand that immigrants integrate into British society, the article suggests that the burden rests upon "us" rather than "them" to integrate?

The whole article is propaganda, attempting to portray muslims as victims. If muslims don't like British society they should go back to the country's they came from.

[2ND] Another 'British are to blame' article. If one day I have to go and live in Saudi Arabia I'll find out about the culture and while I most likely wouldn't integrate I wouldn't disrespect it either. .... I also wouldn't demand that my local restaurant served non halal meat. Yes, the UK like every nation on Earth has some intolerant people, it has some xenophobes and racists but to be honest it's articles like this that quite frankly enrage me rather than engage me. They make me think that I am somehow to blame because the occassionally offended or attacked Muslim is my and other law abiding Brits fault for not integrating with the Muslim community ...

[3RD] It is indeed a depressing report. The idea of a new legal definition of anti-Muslim prejudice amounts to a quite outrageous attempt to limit debate on a minority that is becoming deeply problematic. If we are not careful it is going to limit what we can say in threads like this if we have worries about matters like terrorism, a separate system of law for one religious group, gender inequality, prejudice against LGBT people, inhumane animal slaughtering practices, and the political correctness that made Rochdale possible.

[4TH] When Britain is being attacked by homegrown Islamist terrorists whiny articles like this about how people worrying about Muslim integration is somehow racist islamophobia and that the Muslims are somehow the real victims is insulting.

[5TH] You wrote, disingenuously: Integration is a two way street. If you want people to integrate into your society, you should reach out to them too.

Allah disagrees with you. He says:

'O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.' (Al-Ma'idah 5:51)

Integration can only begin when you and your co-religionists ignore Allah's eternal commands.

[6TH] Until Islam reforms itself then it's never going to be able to coexist with the British system of parliamentary democracy and an independent judiciary as Islam seeks to occupy the same space......which is already taken!!

From a philosophical point of view, the vast majority of Brits are entirely indifferent to organised religion and the "worshipping" of supernatural fantasies. So, once again, Islam jars very intractably with British society.

So, both structurally and philosophically Islam is totally at odds with how British society has evolved and developed over the last few hundred years. This point is so obvious yet it is continually lost in the shouting of the "liberal elite", who can't bear the idea of calling a spade a spade for fear of "offending" someone.

[7TH] Yet another whine by a Mohommadan.

Ali Meghi needs to tell us why, of his own free will, he purposefully chooses to follow a religion started by a man who married a 6 year old girl.

[ANOTHER] "How many of these Brits criticising their Muslim compatriots actually know that sharia law dictates a person should obey the law of the country they live in, thus advocating strong national pride?"

LOL LOL LOL.. sure obey the law of ..the ISLAMIC country.... this guy is taking us for a bunch of idiots. It is fact that Muslims must pledge allegiance to Allah and MOhammed ONLY. The Quoran and Sharia are their consitution. They should not live in a western country UNLESS their goal is to impose ISLAM...

The constant lying of these muzzrats trying to serve us the Kool aid is really getting tiring.

[ANOTHER] "How many of these Brits criticising their Muslim compatriots actually know that sharia law dictates a person should obey the law of the country they live in, thus advocating strong national pride?"

Who cares what the Sharia law says? Are you saying that if this wasn't written in Sharia law, it would have been okay for Muslims to break the law of the country they live in? What is written in a medieval holy book is entirely irrelevant to anything at all. Don't expect people to be thankful to Muslims merely for following the law. Other are able to follow the law even without being told to do so by their religious book.

Muslims need to do more than merely follow the law - they need to integrate into the culture of the host country, and adopt the social norms of the host country. Or are you saying that arranged marriages, long beards, skull caps, niqabs etc. should be banned by law, in which case Muslims would be obliged to not practice these things, since sharia tells them to follow the law?

[ANOTHER] Dame Louise Casey said that there is a "first generation in every generation" phenomenon in Muslim communities which is acting as a "bar" to integration.

The review also accuses Labour and local authorities of having "ignored or even condoned" harmful cultural traditions for fear of being branded "racist or Islamaphobic".

Her report finds that thousands of people from all-Muslim enclaves in northern cities such as Bradford, Dewsbury and Blackburn seldom, if ever, leave their areas and have almost no idea of life outside…the report will send ‘shock waves’ through the system by attacking the Government, and particularly the Home Office, for failing to manage the consequences of mass migration and promote integration. [The Independent] Read more